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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 17, 2013 9:45:41 GMT 10
What do you think the significance of that ring is? I have felt it is more than a simple ring, but can't quite figure out what yet. I have a feeling it has something to do with the moon, but want to see if anyone else felt it was going to play a role in the last book
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alexiel
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Post by alexiel on Jul 18, 2013 0:01:47 GMT 10
I've seen that ring purchased on Tinter's Pack, and I noticed that it is knotted... Pat wanted it to be like that...so, maybe, it's related to the Lockless box thing.
I don't know why, but I've always thought that that ring is misleading, and the real important thing is instead that letter that she was reading while crying. Kvothe saw her miserable and cheered her up, but we still don't know anything about that letter or why she was so upset after reading it.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 18, 2013 3:37:39 GMT 10
I'm pretty certain the ring is important, or at least the knotting on the ring is important. Pat designed it to look a specific way. Denna clearly has some connection to Yll in my opinion. She can still write storyknots which is connected with that culture and we know she spends at least a bit of time there.
I'm sure it will play some role, it nearly always mentions it when she is in the story. What kind of role though? I am still unsure. I kinda like to think that Denna will be the one who opens the Lackless Box since she might actually have some inkling of what the knots on it say.
Maybe it will turn out to be the Ring Unworn in the end?
I never really considered that and had always thought it would be a ring of people or something like that, but...I don't know, maybe there is a connection there....
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 18, 2013 4:14:14 GMT 10
Yeah good point it could be the ring unworn. I have thought Yll will play a big role in the last book, and possibly in the new form of magic we have yet to see. She asks about magic that involved writing things down, but maybe it was more about the knots than actual writing. I have felt that she is trying to find a lost magic related to tying Yllish story knots. Also maybe the knots being carved into the Lackless box work like sygaldry of some kind binding whatever is inside.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 18, 2013 5:31:50 GMT 10
I'm not totally sure, but it's the only real connection I've been able to put together with the ring.
I'm not sure how marriage works in this world, but I've thought that maybe Denna's ring was actually an engagement ring from someone she truly loved in the past, but that for some reason she can't be with or maybe died.
In a case like that, I think it would be really cool if she had another ring, like a matching band or something, that she never got to wear, and that was the ring unworn.
I know I totally just made that up, but I think it would be cool. Plus, it would give some semblance of reason to Denna's actions.
If it isn't something like that, the only other thing I can imagine is it belonged to someone very close to her who is also either dead or cannot be with her anymore for some reason.
hmm - that gives me a crazy idea. What if Denna is like Lanre? Looking for a cure or whatever for someone she loves?
And idea time - sorry I'm taking this totally into the realm of crackpot - but, have you ever read the speculation about how Lanre might have taken Iax's power and thats why his new name contains the Iax in it. I've read some pretty interesting stuff about that but never put much stock in it personally. However, it would be damn beautiful to me if Denna did that to Kvothe, and THATS why he is Kote and no longer has the same power.
Jesus, if Pat doesn't use that, I think I need to write a book. BAHAHAHA!
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 18, 2013 5:46:08 GMT 10
Yeah pretty crackpotty, but I like it. Haven't heard anything like that before. The ring is some kind of heirloom it seems like, not sure why she would give it to Ambrose if that was the case though. Could be tied to Lanre. I am not sure but could Lanre be Yllish? Does it ever say? Some think he is the beginning of the Lackless line so her ring could be a key of sorts to the box since they both have knots incorporated. That's just off the top of my head but that doesn't seem that outlandish. I have thought she might be one of the Lackless that broke off some years ago.
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Post by displacement on Jul 18, 2013 5:57:13 GMT 10
Oh man I hope she and Kvothe aren't secretly cousins.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 18, 2013 6:00:05 GMT 10
Yes, my crackpottery is quite prolific. LOL!
Yah, I kinda always got the impression it was an heirloom as well, but honestly, I'm not sure if it actually says that or I just made that assumption because its a fast and easy one to latch onto. I always wondered why she gave it to Ambrose too, and then wasn't going to do anything to get it back. Kinda seems to lessen it's importance slightly if you start thinking about it that way.
I don't see why Lanre couldn't be Yllish, unless those sorts of boundaries didn't exist yet in the time period he lived. I don't think it says. I've definitely read some speculation about Lanre and Lyra starting the Lackless line and I do like that concept for sure, however I haven't read any concrete support for it either. So it's kind've an act of faith to follow that line of thinking, but I also don't consider it outlandish. It's not a huge leap and it would work fine, even well, with the story.
I know there is a second seperate theory that Laurian isn't the Lackless heir at all, but Denna is, because apperantly a lot of the same descriptors are used for both Denna and Meluan. Plus, Kvothe would feel a familiarity as well if he saw someone who looked like Denna.
I never much cared for the idea, but - I do like the idea that maybe Denna is a part of the offshoot branch, and that her features are just similar, with Laurian still being the "real" heir. It's a nice theory merge in my opinion. Never read anything like that yet.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 18, 2013 6:00:51 GMT 10
Oh man I hope she and Kvothe aren't secretly cousins.  |
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 18, 2013 6:51:34 GMT 10
Haha that would make them cousins, his subconscious must know and that is why he never makes any moves.  |
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 18, 2013 6:53:40 GMT 10
We need Thistlepong over hear to get more info on this. Not sure if I have seen him on this forum though.
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Post by displacement on Jul 18, 2013 7:27:52 GMT 10
Since we're going crackpotty, I think Kote has it. In the song he sings about Kvothe at the beginning of the book it says "and the ring of ice had a flaw in it" or something like that. Didn't her blue stone have something moving inside? I may be connecting pieces that don't exist, actually. For some reason I think Kvothe takes back the ring and uses it or just keeps it.
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 18, 2013 8:59:31 GMT 10
Yeah I think Kote has it now too. Guess that would fit into it being the way to open the box and he used it to open the Lackless Box. But even if that isn't the case I still wouldn't be surprised if he had it.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 18, 2013 9:56:01 GMT 10
I will tell Thistlepong her presence is requested! LOL. I don't know how much time she has to hop around, but definitely one of the people I love to pose questions at and would be great to have over here. Thats an interesting idea displacement never thought about that...definitely going to have to factor in some of these new ideas for my next reread. (which should be relatively soon I'm getting rusty on the details!) |
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 18, 2013 11:39:53 GMT 10
Oh its a her! My bad, didnt know. /faceplam
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