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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 10, 2013 6:38:07 GMT 10
So, noticed we haven't had any posts in my FAVORITE sorta thread yet. Figured I'd do a quick recap of popular theories just in case some new fans come around and are wondering if one of there ideas has been brought up yet. I'm not going to list all the back up that goes with every theory, but if someone has questions on a specific one, I'll be happy to answer and I'm sure others will have there own thoughts on the subjects.
So here is a list, if you have one to add thats popular and missing, just let me know and I'll edit and put it in the original post.
Most Popular
1.) Meluan Lackless is Kvothe's Aunt and Laurian's sister. Laurian is really Natalia Lackless.
2.) Master Ash is:
Cinder
Bredon
Both. (As in Cinder is Bredon who is Ash)
Caudicus
3.) Speculated "Secret" Members of the Amyr:
The Masters, most specifically Lorren
Skarpi
4.) The Lackless Box Contains:
The Name of the Moon
Something that binds the Ctheah to it's tree.
5.) Kvothe's Thrice Locked Chest Contains:
His Own name and Power
Just Part of his Name
His Things. (As in his Shaede, Ademic Sword, Lute, etc...)
6.) The King Kvothe Kills is:
Ambrose
Sim
Maer Alveron
Himself
Baron Jakis
Roderick Calanthis
Vashet's Poet King
7.) Bast is:
Felurian's Son
Kvothe and Felurian's Son
8.) Auri is:
Princess Ariel, described on the book jacket
The Moon
A Fae
Lyra
9.) Elodin is:
Taborlin the Great
I know there are a ton more, so please post some up, that way I don't have to think of all of them. Also, if you want to discuss a theory we can either make a thread or just do it here as well.
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Post by lalaley on Jul 10, 2013 7:02:55 GMT 10
Ooh, some interesting theories there.
I never thought that Master Ash might be Bredon. I did, however, think it might be the man that was poisoning the Maer. (I can not for the life of me remember his name! But, having read other posts from various places I think there is sufficient evidence to say it could well be Bredon. I am currently re-reading WMF, but haven't got to that point yet.
The theories that Bast could be the love child of Felurian and Kvothe is interesting! I hadn't paid much thought into where Bast had come from, well, not much thought. Part of me doesn't trust Bast, so I wouldn't have come up with that idea anyway.
I always had the suspicion that Elodin was somehow connected to the Amyr, though Lorren seems very likely.
I'd be interested in people's theories of Denna. She is surely more than only the girl Kvothe was/is in love with. She must fit into the Chandrian somehow...
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 10, 2013 8:04:30 GMT 10
Yah, I don't support all these theories, they are just ones I've personally seen posted a ridiculous amount of times on Goodreads and other forums. So I thought we might avoid the ever popular DISCOVERY post for old theories if I put this thread together.
Anywho - The Bredon theory is really popular, some folk cling to it like they forgot the dryer sheet. It's pretty solid, but I'm still personally holding out for Maer Alveron. (Not a popular theory at all) I've just never been able to convince myself that Bredon would beat little girls with walking sticks. I've seen some posts for Caudicus being Denna's patron, but I wasn't sure if I should add it as "Popular" because I've only started seeing posts on that within the last 6 months or so. I think I will now though.
Yah, the Bast ones are not my favorite. I don't particularly follow the theory that he is Kvothe and Felurian's love child because I find that silly. Though I could see him being one of Felurian's children there is a bit of connection. His title is Prince of Twilight & the Twyleth Mael, (something like that) and Felurian's title is Lady of Twilight. So, pretty suggestive that there might be a connection.
I think I've probably seen a theory about every Master being an Amyr except Hemme. I'm pretty sure everyone just hates him though so they don't bother thinking it out. It'd be pretty funny if he turned out to be the only one that actually was! LOL. I think Lorren comes up the most though because he's in the Archives and it kinda seems like someone is culling the books to avoid mention of both the Amyr and Chandrian, so he's instantly suspect. Personally, I like to think of the Master's as there own entity, but it won't be that surprising if I'm wrong.
I've seen a few theories about Denna, one is that SHE is actually Meluan's sister. That one is pretty amusing and not totally baseless.
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Post by displacement on Jul 10, 2013 8:08:53 GMT 10
I don't like the theory about Bast being Kvothe's son, he's referred to as the "son of Rennel" at the beginning of the story. And where would Bast's hooves come from? Do the Fae have totally random genetics?
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Post by lalaley on Jul 10, 2013 8:09:50 GMT 10
Yeah, I've seen the theory that Denna is a Lackless. I've never though that, I'm pretty certain that the missing Lackless is Kvothes mum.
I just feel like she's up to something.. Though I have no idea what it is!
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 10, 2013 8:28:54 GMT 10
Yah displacement, the whole genetics thing is part of the reason I never liked the theory myself. Many have said that Remmen could be another name of Kvothe though, which I can't really argue against. Then again, the hooves could also be recessive, but that would mean Kvothe would have to have a little Fae in him. Which there is a bit of support to as well. I mean, Kvothe has red hair, and neither of his parent do, but Red hair can be and often is a recessive trait. lalaley - I've also seen a theory about Denna training to be an Amyr or Ciradae. And that is why she is getting info on the Chandrian. The "beatings" (in this theory) were actually hard body training from her mentor. I wouldn't consider it popular by any means whatsoever but I hella liked it. |
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Post by lalaley on Jul 10, 2013 8:34:29 GMT 10
I've also seen that theory crop up a few times. Also saw one that said she was working for the Chandrian. I don't think that though.
I find it odd how she always crops up where Kvothe is. It makes part of me think she is being sent to him, though I have no idea who could be sending her.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 10, 2013 9:08:24 GMT 10
Yah, I'm opposed to the idea she is working for the Chandrian as well. Which also means, obviously, I'm opposed to the Cinder = Ash line of thinking.
I'm not opposed to the idea she'd support the Chandrian, I mean, she did write the Song of Seven Sorrows, all about how Lanre was the one that was actually betrayed. But still, I don't think she has a direct connection with them. It makes sense they peaked her interest after what happened to her in Trebon, plus, if she worked for the Chandrian, I doubt they would want her writing songs about them. Arliden wrote a song in Lanre's favor as well and we all know how great that worked out.
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Post by yamahako on Jul 10, 2013 13:56:41 GMT 10
There's a huge amount of in text support for Kvothe's mom being lady Lackless - I wonder if we should get larger theory posts made up.
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 10, 2013 16:37:04 GMT 10
The only one of the common theories I think is for sure is K's mom being the runaway Lackless. Too many subtle and obvious clues and it fits in so well with the story.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 11, 2013 2:47:57 GMT 10
I agree that it is one of the best theories out there, as much as I do enjoy the Denna theory, Laurian being Lady Lackless fits so well with my own ideas of the narrative as well. Plus, comeon, we all know we want Kvothe to unsuspectingly be "the son who brings the blood" LOL! yamahako if you feel like you'd like to discuss more on the Lady Lackless theory feel free to post one up. I think it's about been beat to death for us old fans, but people who are new to the series or people who haven't gotten a chance to discuss it yet would surely enjoy it. It's an awesome theory. I would love to link to a theory one of our Mod's on Goodreads wrote up about Roderick Calanthis as well, it is really amazing if y'all havent had a chance to read it yet. It's very detailed and convincing. www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1257006-the-king-killed |
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 11, 2013 5:19:36 GMT 10
Yeah I read that theory not to long ago and have to admit it is pretty solid. I lt sure beat the hell out of my theory on the king that is killed.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 11, 2013 6:11:26 GMT 10
Yah, I think the boardy theory is Thistlepong is a robot....
LOL!
It blew me away when I read it and I agree, S.O.L.I.D.
I won't call it cannon, but if it turns out to be true, I won't be surprised either.
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Post by zupoleon on Jul 13, 2013 2:16:07 GMT 10
I really like the Calanthis theory as well but have one question - Vashet's poet-king is from the small kingdoms, but Roderic is king of Vintas. Seems like a bit of a disconnect, no?
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 13, 2013 2:23:00 GMT 10
Yah, there is a disconnect there, you kinda have to choose if you want to follow the Roderick Calanthis theory or you want to follow the line of thinking that Kvothe eventually kills Vashet's poet king. Then again, I'm fairly certain the small kingdoms had multiple rulers, hence the names, doesn't mean the Calanthis family couldn't still have property there as well.
But thats purely assumption and the whole property thing is a bit reaching for sure.
Honestly, I'd throw it out there for Thistlepong to answer, I'm sure she would have one, she's incredibly astute.
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