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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 11, 2013 9:33:53 GMT 10
So, I'm interested to know what everyones secret desires and theories are.
You know the one...the one you won't dare post online or mention for fear of sounding absolutely and totally insane or just plain stupid. LOL
SIDE NOTE:
No Ridicule please, if you can bust a theory, by all means present the evidence, but don't piss on anyone's parade just because you hate there idea. The idea is to get some fresh, off the path, perspective.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 11, 2013 9:38:15 GMT 10
Personally, I am kinda hoping that Auri will be the one that calls Kvothe dulator and this will lead to him being betrayed by HER. That would be pretty ultimate in my opinion.
But Auri being an add in to the text has always made me a bit shy to voice it.
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 11, 2013 11:29:02 GMT 10
I like the theory of the Chandrian being the "good" guys, instead of the Amyr. Would be a good twist for the end. Elodin could be one of them, and was Taborlin as an earlier form. That's crack-potty right?
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 12, 2013 2:23:25 GMT 10
Yah, I definitely consider the Elodin = Taborlin one a bit crackpot. LOL.
I always thought that one was impossible, but the other day we were talking about it on another forum and were thinking maybe, just maybe, if Elodin knew the name of Time or something ridiculous like that, it could work.
And I have to admit, that would be sorta 10x Awesome.
I LOVE the theory that the Chandrian are the "good" guys. (Well maybe not good, so much as persecuted unjustly) I think that would be awesome for the end, and I think there is plenty of speculative support for the idea. Especially after some of the unsavory things we have found out about the Amyr.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 12, 2013 2:28:47 GMT 10
Oh, double post - sorry. LOL
Another random crazy idea I've had is that the Edema Ruh actually are as the rumors suggest and Kvothe is just deluded about them.
I mean, think about it, Kvothe only experiences being an Edema Ruh as a child, and it makes sense he would see them in a positive light because thats generally how children are toward the people who raise them. Plus, it's made a bit obvious that even Laurian and Arliden don't share EVERYTHING with young Kvothe.
Once his troupe is killed, we do not meet a single troupe until we meet the one that is doing EXACTLY what the rumors of Edema Ruh say they do. Also we do not meet a single other character who has the viewpoint Kvothe does.
I think logically, it screams Kvothe is wrong, because there is not much to support his claim of the opposite except stuff we experience through his childhood, which is still not a huge amount.
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 12, 2013 14:38:27 GMT 10
Yeah I think Kvothe is wrong about most things. It is a common occurrence in the books and I think that makes the Chandrian being the good guys a possible theory (the Elodin part is a bit out there though). I never thought of the Edema being just as they are rumored, but you make a good point.
The name of time thing is something I haven't heard before. I always assumed it would be more of a curse that he can't "die" so when he does he just comes back in a new form. I suppose time could have a name, but then again it is just a man-made concept really, would be like love having a name.
Maybe knowing your own true name and being able to shape it you could regenerate or "reshape" yourself. If Taborlin was a shaper he could do something like that I think. Or any of the shapers really. (God I feel like I am coming up with lost theories from way back, I should stop smoking/drinking when I post)
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Post by lalaley on Jul 12, 2013 18:18:48 GMT 10
Hmmm, I'm not sure I can think that the Ruh are 'bad' people. From what I remember, the 'Ruh' Kvothe sees on his travels aren't actually 'of the Ruh', they were conmen, as such. To me, it's just prejudice, as far as I can see. They were performers, with a wealthy patron. If I remember correctly, someone (can not remember who!) seems to know his Fathers name when he first comes to the University. I'm sure he's glossed over things, they can't have been as perfect and wonderful as he makes out they are. And that is, quite possibly, a combination of embellishment and his background as a performer. The way I see it is, people who don't know any better, grouping them with others who travel around to steal etc.. But, it is an interesting theory, not one I have ever thought though.  The theory that the Chandrian are the 'good' guys... I can't quite believe that, either! It would be an interesting twist, but they seemed to have killed a lot of innocent people, and they awful sinister looking... They killed a whole wedding party, and travelling troupe. |
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Post by displacement on Jul 13, 2013 1:51:33 GMT 10
My dumb theory of the moment is that Kvothe became Kote to escape Denna. There's a line in the frame of NW where Kote is trying to explain how difficult it is to capture Denna's beauty and he says "to Kvothe she was beautiful" - like he was talking about a different person. Rothfuss's writing is too precise for me to feel like this is an accident. Kote doesn't love Denna and she was a major motivation for him giving up his name and power.
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Post by lalaley on Jul 13, 2013 1:56:46 GMT 10
My dumb theory of the moment is that Kvothe became Kote to escape Denna. There's a line in the frame of NW where Kote is trying to explain how difficult it is to capture Denna's beauty and he says "to Kvothe she was beautiful" - like he was talking about a different person. Rothfuss's writing is too precise for me to feel like this is an accident. Kote doesn't love Denna and she was a major motivation for him giving up his name and power. Ooh, that's interesting! I hadn't picked up on that. I do have feelings that she has something to do with Kvothe becoming Kote. I completely cringed when he swore on his hand, or whatever it was. I thought, oh no Kvothe, don't swear things like that for her! |
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 13, 2013 2:47:37 GMT 10
strangebrewd - Yes, I definitely started picking up on the subtle moments that Kvothe is wrong a lot or biased in his opinions a lot on subsequent reads. It's pretty amusing actually. I find it really interesting how the only information he finds on the Amyr is a book listing a whole bunch of horrible atrocities one commited and he immediately makes excuses for this. Then the only book he finds relating to The Chandrian says something about them actually being nice, and he throws to the side as total rubbish. THAT is a totally biased opinion, completely centered around the fact he feels that the Chandrian MUST be evil because they killed his troupe. It's also part of the reason I started thinking, maybe, just maybe, the troupe wasn't all that good to begin with. Plus, the whole Cinder in the bandit camp thing is very similar to the setting in Robin Hood. We seem to find out later that the "edema ruh", who are believed fakes (I do remember that lalaley) were the ones attacking villagers. (But maybe I'm off base on that, I could use a refresh on the whole of Vintas honestly) lalaley - I could definitely use a reread of the Vintas section, but I have gotten the impression that it was a matter of opinion that those Ruh were conmen. I'm not sure, but now you have me itching to read the part again! That sounds like a good plan for the weekend It is Lorren who knows Arliden's name when Kvothe comes to University. Pat has revealed that Lorren actually was hoping Kvothe could help in attribution of songs in the Archives, since Kvothe would have an easier time recognizing or may have known more about which songs were actually written by Arliden. Arliden was a very prolific writer it seems and wrote many popular pieces in the world. Though Lorren calls him Arliden "the bard" which implies that his actual character is fairly unknown, as Kvothe finds this a bit of an offense. As far as the Chandrian, the Amyr are considered "good guys" and they killed LOADS of people. As far as we know, the Chandrian have only killed people they have felt was a direct threat to there existance, that's self defense, albeit still murder, but not murders like we know the Amyr have committed "for the greater good." It's definitely something to think about next time you are doing a reread. Another thing to consider is that we have yet to actually witness the Chandrian killing anyone. We always come along after all the killing is over, its stands to reason the Chandrian could be showing up in the same manner, in the wake of another group that kills people, say for, proliferating the idea the Chandrian aren't evil. (which is what Nina kinda suggests of the Mauthen farm Pottery, and also what Arliden's song suggested) The Ctheah also only IMPLIES that Cinder killed Kvothe's mother, he doesn't actually say that he did. He says "Did terrible things to your mother" that could literally mean anything at anytime in Laurian's life or even before. (I.E. like killing someone in the past so that Laurian would eventually HAVE to be the Lackless heir, or something along those lines - just for a random example) Anywho, I had to give that one time to sink in, but once you do, its actually quite interesting to think about while you are rereading.
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 13, 2013 3:24:09 GMT 10
Yeah Lorren knows his dad. The only time Lorren ever makes a "reaction" (a surprised blink) is when K mentions edema Ruh. Makes me think Lorren is either Ruh himself or he traveled with them for a while. I am sure it will come up later.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 13, 2013 3:53:56 GMT 10
See, that part made me think Lorren didn't know that Arliden was Edema Ruh and that was why he was incorrectly calling him "the Bard"
Funny how everyone gets different ideas when they are reading, this is exactly why talking about it in forums is so fun! I'm totally going to think about Lorren being an Edema Ruh in my next read.
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 13, 2013 5:48:03 GMT 10
Yeah I couldn't find much to support it on my last re-read but Lorren doesn't give up much in his parts, those blinks during K's admission is what made me think that. But he is so quiet it is weird to think of him as a musician or actor. Could just be that he is distancing himself from that past life. Maybe they started doing some of the things the Ruh are known for and got the hell out of there.
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Post by Ivory Doom on Jul 13, 2013 6:08:59 GMT 10
Well, since this is the crackpot thread, I'm going to go all crazy and suggest, maybe Lorren used to have a longer name himself??
Some people might make those same accusations of our beloved Kote, no?
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Post by strangebrewd on Jul 13, 2013 6:23:40 GMT 10
I like it, but as to who he was what are your thoughts? Think we have heard of his past life in a story?
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